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icon7.gif  effective Oracle license [message #516081] Fri, 15 July 2011 00:41 Go to next message
PDNfernando
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Dear All;

Our organization is planning to implement new systems in near future which function with Oracle DB.

Thefore, we have to punches several licenses for each individual system which is high cost. Are there best methods/licensing to address this situation that would be help to reduce the cost such as consolidate DB server. Please advice.

Regards

PDNFernando
Re: effective Oracle license [message #516109 is a reply to message #516081] Fri, 15 July 2011 02:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John Watson
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There will be many options with huge price variations in the way Standard Edition, Enterprise Edition, and the various options can be used to achieve what you need on various hardware architectures.
The company I work for has been successful at reducing clients' licence costs through server and database consolidation, and by removing the need for Enterprise Edition facilities: if you are going out to tender for architectural advice and licences, please PM me and we can see if we could help.
Rgds, John.
Re: effective Oracle license [message #516112 is a reply to message #516109] Fri, 15 July 2011 02:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
PDNfernando
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Thanks John;

Yes, We have idea to implement a server and database consolidation environment but we have less past experience in this matter.

Is there any reference to obtain some information and advice about this such as past experience and advantages and disadvantages .etc?

Please advise
Re: effective Oracle license [message #516114 is a reply to message #516112] Fri, 15 July 2011 02:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John Watson
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Sorry, I don't know of anything I could distribute for free - this would have to be consulting work, it is too commercial for a public forum. If you put out tender document, you will find many companies (including the one I work for!) that will offer to assist.
Re: effective Oracle license [message #516120 is a reply to message #516114] Fri, 15 July 2011 02:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Littlefoot
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I have no experience with what you do (consulting services, that is), so - just wondering, and if you can share the information - how much would that cost (in this particular case)? Not an exact number, just roughly (hundreds of dollars, thousands, tens of thousands, millions, ...)?
Re: effective Oracle license [message #516137 is a reply to message #516120] Fri, 15 July 2011 03:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John Watson
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Well, PDNfernando, thanks to LF's question, here is some free consultancy!

I work (permanent, not contract) for these guys, www.bplc.com (Africa and Europe) and www.skillbuilders.com (US). A job like this (and I am pulling figures out of the air) might be anything from three to fifteen days chargeable time, a mix of me (an Oracle Certified Master DBA), a hardware/OS specialist, an appropriate functional specialist (usually a Chartered Accountant), and a business analyst. The output would be a document describing the hardware/OS/DB/application architecture that could be attached to a tender document to go to the suppliers. Daily rates for this sort of thing have a huge variation. Anything from GBP600 (there would need to be a very good reason for that) to over GBP2k.

In this case, the spend could be well worth it. For instance, PDN, if you want 100% uptime and 0% data loss, Oracle's Maximum Availability Architecture approach based on RAC and Data Guard would need minimum 4 Enterprise Edition licenses plus the RAC uplift, cost USD282k. But we might recommend using a stretched cluster instead, minimum cost 2 Standard Edition licenses, total USD35k. Of course, you would then need to choose an implementation partner who understands stretched clusters, which is where we would hope to win a bigger contract (bearing in mind the ethical issues of bidding for work when you wrote the tender doc.)

That's enough advertising - not really what Orafaq is for, I think. Thanks for giving me the excuse, guys.

Cheers, John.
Re: effective Oracle license [message #516148 is a reply to message #516137] Fri, 15 July 2011 04:04 Go to previous message
Littlefoot
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That was certainly very interesting (at least, for me). I had no idea how much that kind of assistance costs, who is involved ("Chartered Accountant"? Never even heard of it!), how long it takes and possible options you may suggest.

Mentioning GBP 600 (a "very good reason" means that this is cheap, right?) vs. GBP 2000 and later me, misreading "ethical issues" with "ethnical issues", I thought that us, poor guys from the Balkans would certainly be charged that cheap GBP 600 (while those rich Germans (just an example, pick your own choice if you wish) would have to pay GBP 2000) /forum/fa/1587/0/

OK then, I hope it was useful for Fernando as well.


P.S. Forgot to mention - John, you're (at the moment) not a GROUP BY expression.

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